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Female Narrator:
'Previously on Forgive Me':
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[sexual moaning, grunting]
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[sexual moaning, grunting]
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Come in!
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[sexual groans]
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[slap of whip]
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[sexual groaning]
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[panting]
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I should order
you a psyche eval?
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I'm not crazy,
I'm not mentally ill,
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it's just that
every time I tell people
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that I'm not
afraid to die,
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everyone acts
like I've lost my mind.
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Even the other priests.
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Even though dying is
how you get to heaven.
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That's how you get
to the kingdom of God.
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This thing in my brain,
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this mass could be
my key to the kingdom.
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That letter's
almost 30 years old.
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It was to my mother.
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I think I should sue.
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Sue?
The church?
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I don't want
you to tell anyone.
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About any of this, the
lawsuit, the letter, none of it.
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If your bosses see the
letter they're gonna just--
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it's gonna give them
a chance to cover it up,
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they'll cover
it up more. They wouldn't.
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I don't think that
they would cover this up.
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Genesius did.
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No, he didn't. Gene
reported it. He reported it.
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You can see that in
the letter that you have.
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Yeah, well he
didn't go to the police.
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No, but... hey,
this work both ways.
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Hey, Gene couldn't go to
the police, with something
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your mother told him in
a confession, all right?
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He couldn't,
just like right now,
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I can't go to the authorities,
I can't go to the higher-ups
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with this plan of
yours to sue the church.
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You have my word, I will
not tell anybody, I can't.
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That uh, man, the choir master
who molested Johnny O'Leary--
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What?
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He was a priest.
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No, he was a
choir master.
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Before that.
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He was never a priest!
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Not here, not here,
up in, up in Cape Breton.
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In Cape Breton?
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[sighs] He was
uh, he was defrocked
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or he packed it in,
I don't know, but...
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I found some letters.
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You didn't know...
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that he had been
a priest back then?
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Gene?
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It-it was a long time ago but
I did not know he was priest.
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Ever a priest!
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Good.
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Good morning.
G'morning.
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Where's Gene?
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He said something
about a lawyer.
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He went to a lawyer?
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I have some
information for ya.
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About what?
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About the letter.
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The letter that
you brought me.
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Look, you asked me to find out
if the higher ups ever responded
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to Father Gene's letter.
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Back before he came
here he was a priest.
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Some other diocese, he
got in trouble up there
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for messing with a boy.
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? 'Ave Maria' by
Christopher Frances Mitchell ?
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? 'Ave Maria' by
Christopher Frances Mitchell ?
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? 'Ave Maria' by
Christopher Frances Mitchell ?
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[in pain, Italian rambling]
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[in pain, Italian rambling]
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[whimpering]
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[gasping and heavy breathing]
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[groans softly and whimpers]
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[sobs, moans and gasps]
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[sobs, moans and gasps]
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[sobs, moans and gasps]
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[sobs, moans and gasps]
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[Italian ramblings]
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[whimpers, heavy breathing]
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Christo!
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[moaning and laboured breathing]
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[moaning and laboured breathing]
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[sobs with Italian ramblings]
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[sobs with Italian ramblings]
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Christo!
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[whoosh sound]
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[Prelate]
He has not discussed it with me at all, I assure you.
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[inaudible response]
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When was I elevated?
Yeah.
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I want to assure you
that-that this is the first
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I've heard of it.
[inaudible response]
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Good morning!
Good morning.
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You slept in.
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I had a headache.
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Serious?
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It's not too bad.
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Umm, this is
Bishop Beliveau-Brown.
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Yes, of course.
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The bishop has
raised some questions
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we'd like you to answer.
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Okay [sighs].
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It's about a
Jonathon O'Leary.
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You know
who that is?
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Yeah.
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Mr. O'Leary is alleging
sexual abuse in his history,
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in the diocese.
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Do you know
anything about that?
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Not that I
can talk about.
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About the abuse?
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Alleged.
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Alleged, abuse?
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I don't know how to answer--
Mr. O'Leary is penitent.
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Have you spoken to
him outside the booth?
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A couple of times.
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Did you give
him the letters?
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[sighs]
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Why does it matter?
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Covering up cover-ups is
no longer church policy,
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isn't that right?
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Whether there was any kind of
cover-up hasn't been determined!
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[chuckling] Oh,
I think it has!
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The abuse itself
hasn't been determined!
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His mother
told Gene about it.
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And Gene told you.
You covered it up.
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And how do you
know all this?
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[sighs] It's
in the letters.
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Which you've read.
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He asked me for
them, I gave them to him.
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Without talking to
the Prelate or myself?
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To what end?
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To discuss it!
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He asked
during confession.
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We don't discuss that!
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Asking favours is not
part of the sacrament.
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It was relevant.
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The letters contained
information that could help him.
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Assist his healing,
his spiritual healing.
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Oh! Well! Nothing to do with
the lawsuit he's filed then?
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There was no cover-up
of what he did here.
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The mother didn't know and
the boy didn't tell anyone.
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So we had no evidence
to turn over to anybody.
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Did you look?
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I didn't know the past
history of the choir master,
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and neither did the
Prelate at the time.
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And if we had known he
had abused other boys--
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Then you'd
have believed him?
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The boy never
said a word!
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It was his mother
who didn't feel right,
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she had a feeling,
a suspicion.
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Well, somebody
knew something.
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Right? Obviously,
somebody knew something,
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or he wouldn't
have been shipped
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from parish to
parish to cover it up.
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Why are you--
you're presuming a lot
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because people didn't talk about
those things in those days,
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I mean sure, from time
to time there were whispers
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and euphemisms but there was
no Oprah or Jerry Springer.
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Nobody admitted to
sexual abuse of a child.
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You think we didn't do our best
to protect the congregation?
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You knew. It says
as much in the letters.
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I knew more
than Father Gene.
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I didn't know the kind of
details you're talking about.
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So what the, the
devil's in the details?
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It wasn't enough to
know he was a child abuser
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in the general sense?
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You take that tone with
me, you'll find yourself
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closing down parishes
in Labrador tomorrow!
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I was barely
higher up than Genesius.
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Everything we did was
wrong, a royal fuck up!
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What, you think we
acted out of malice?
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It's because
you're young and stupid.
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He is not stupid!
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Yeah. Smart enough
to get you fired.
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I'm not trying to
get anybody fired.
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You don't know him.
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Wouldn't be the first
young priest I've seen,
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trying to shorten the rungs
on the ladder he's climbing.
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I've got my
own problems.
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I've said you're
wrong. Let it go.
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Why didn't
you come to us?
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It-it didn't seem in the
interest of the congregate.
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You're a member
of this order, huh?
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If you'd come to us
we could have settled
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the whole
matter out of court.
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This is hardly
unprecedented,
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we have methods to reduce
the impact on the parish,
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and the pain and
suffering on the accuser,
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When there's a lawsuit
things can go very badly
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for all parties.
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Yeah. Like other victims
hear about it and come forward.
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That's unlikely
to be the case here,
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the accused wasn't in
the city all that long.
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Long enough.
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I mean in a settlement,
the parish survives.
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The congregation doesn't
suddenly stop coming to church.
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Stop tithing,
donating, volunteering.
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What were you thinking when you
went looking for those letters,
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when you gave
them to someone
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who you knew could
turn around and sue?
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That his soul
was in turmoil.
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For his whole adult life.
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I... I just thought
I could help somebody.
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Like actually
help somebody.
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Help him
destroy the parish?
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I don't think
that's what he's doing,
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I know it's
not what he wants.
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Well, it's what's
going to happen.
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The lawsuit's been filed.
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It's a matter of time
until the word gets out.
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The press.
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Does he trust you?
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I think so.
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Can you get him
to withdraw it?
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Tell the court
he was confused?
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Uh, but he's not.
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Would you try?
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It's not up to us, okay, he has
to do, whatever's going to undo
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the damage as
much as he can.
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Is it undoing the
damage to have a parking lot
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where the church now is?
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Are you blaming me?
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I'm trying to get a sense
of what the hell is going on.
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We usually have a chance to
do that before the court does.
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I didn't sign on
to protect pedophiles.
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The pedophile
is long dead.
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We don't know
what happened here.
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Or to cover-up for people
who protect pedophiles.
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No one is protecting.
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Are you accusing me? Huh?
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Are you saying
that you didn't know?
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Be careful.
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I've been careful.
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Hardly.
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Even I don't know
what I knew at this point.
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Someday you'll know
how difficult it is
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to remember the
details from 40 years ago.
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If I make it that long.
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Don't say that.
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You went into the archives
and you provided materials
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to someone you knew would
use them against the church.
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I went into some
boxes in the basement.
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Okay? I didn't
break into the Vatican.
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[laughs]
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I'm glad you all
think this is funny.
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None of it is funny.
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You don't go rifling
through church property.
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And you don't go giving
church property away to anyone.
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Even if they ask.
Do you understand?
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Yeah.
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And you also need
to stay out of this.
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You're implicated
in one of the letters.
256
00:16:31,447 --> 00:16:33,860
Happily I shall
stay out of it!
257
00:16:33,964 --> 00:16:38,515
And you... need
to not blame someone
258
00:16:38,619 --> 00:16:41,929
for the mistakes you
made when he was in diapers!
259
00:16:42,033 --> 00:16:47,584
I mean, you made a judgement
in error when you were his age!
260
00:16:47,688 --> 00:16:51,309
Y'you can't take it out on
him for not hiding it for you.
261
00:16:51,413 --> 00:16:55,309
This has all got to stop.
262
00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:57,515
And we have to be
part of it stopping,
263
00:16:57,619 --> 00:17:03,481
not the alternative, I
can't even put words to.
264
00:17:05,102 --> 00:17:06,791
You done?
265
00:17:08,964 --> 00:17:12,309
Good, because you need
to turn your attention
266
00:17:12,413 --> 00:17:14,791
to which of the four
of you in this parish
267
00:17:14,895 --> 00:17:18,447
is going to retire
from the priesthood.
268
00:17:23,619 --> 00:17:25,068
We're not accountable.
269
00:17:25,171 --> 00:17:27,826
It's not about
accountability.
270
00:17:27,929 --> 00:17:31,068
It's about
the bottom line.
271
00:17:31,171 --> 00:17:34,722
Mr. O'Leary's
going to win his case.
272
00:17:34,826 --> 00:17:37,722
The money has to
come from somewhere.
273
00:17:37,826 --> 00:17:41,584
The lawyer fees have
to come from somewhere.
274
00:17:41,688 --> 00:17:45,068
One of you is
gone immediately.
275
00:17:45,171 --> 00:17:49,791
End of the month.
That's to start.
276
00:17:49,895 --> 00:17:51,791
What's going
to happen to you?
277
00:17:51,895 --> 00:17:55,722
It's not up to me,
what happens to me.
278
00:17:55,826 --> 00:17:58,964
And it sure as
hell isn't up to you.
279
00:18:01,688 --> 00:18:09,137
I'm letting you decide who
in this rectory needs to go.
280
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,999
Because you've
been such good sports,
281
00:18:11,102 --> 00:18:17,137
and I'm feeling very, very
generous about the whole thing.
282
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,826
You can let me know
who's off the payroll
283
00:18:19,929 --> 00:18:21,653
by the end
of the week.
284
00:18:21,757 --> 00:18:25,344
If this even remains a
parish, we can then figure out
285
00:18:25,446 --> 00:18:28,826
what to do with
the rest of you.
286
00:18:28,929 --> 00:18:32,688
Go in peace, brothers.
287
00:18:52,171 --> 00:18:53,757
[door closes]
288
00:18:54,999 --> 00:18:56,999
I look forward to
you explaining to me
289
00:18:57,102 --> 00:19:00,964
how you could
do what you did.
290
00:19:01,068 --> 00:19:02,964
Me?
291
00:19:03,068 --> 00:19:08,895
No. That I understand.
292
00:19:08,999 --> 00:19:11,068
[exaggerated sigh]
293
00:19:28,481 --> 00:19:30,481
[knocks on door]
294
00:19:52,584 --> 00:19:55,619
They want me to tell you
that you can get more money
295
00:19:55,722 --> 00:19:58,206
if you settle out of court.
296
00:19:58,308 --> 00:20:00,446
That's not what
the lawyer said.
297
00:20:00,550 --> 00:20:03,722
Fine. I mean, I told you
what they wanted me to tell you.
298
00:20:03,826 --> 00:20:05,722
Listen to your lawyer.
299
00:20:05,826 --> 00:20:08,171
Well, what do you think?
300
00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:10,929
Should I settle?
301
00:20:11,033 --> 00:20:14,515
I'm not a lawyer.
302
00:20:14,619 --> 00:20:20,791
Just putting money aside--
it's not all about money, is it?
303
00:20:20,895 --> 00:20:27,895
For me, and the
church it's-- just move on.
304
00:20:27,999 --> 00:20:31,550
Put it behind us,
just clean it up.
305
00:20:31,653 --> 00:20:33,446
Should I settle?
306
00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:35,999
I don't know.
307
00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:38,412
I mean, I don't
think that you should worry
308
00:20:38,515 --> 00:20:40,446
about what the
church is going to do,
309
00:20:40,550 --> 00:20:42,515
they have people thinking
about that, believe me.
310
00:20:42,619 --> 00:20:45,550
I'm a member of the church,
how can I not think about
311
00:20:45,653 --> 00:20:50,619
what's good for the church? It's
[sighs], it's one and the same.
312
00:20:50,722 --> 00:20:53,206
That is very kind of you.
313
00:20:53,308 --> 00:20:57,791
Seriously, it's probably a
lot kinder than we deserve.
314
00:20:57,895 --> 00:21:04,274
[sighs] I
couldn't have done this.
315
00:21:04,377 --> 00:21:09,860
I couldn't have faced any
of this if you weren't there.
316
00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:14,102
That's what they think
too, but you can, right?
317
00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:17,137
You're the one being
brave, it's not me.
318
00:21:20,308 --> 00:21:24,274
[incredulous chortle]
319
00:21:24,377 --> 00:21:27,757
They might not
keep me. I dunno.
320
00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:30,171
Keep me in the
parish or keep me at all.
321
00:21:30,274 --> 00:21:32,239
I just, I just
want you to know,
322
00:21:32,343 --> 00:21:35,102
I might not necessarily
be able to be here for you.
323
00:21:35,205 --> 00:21:37,102
I want to be--
I just don't know
324
00:21:37,205 --> 00:21:39,137
if it's going to
work out that way.
325
00:21:39,239 --> 00:21:40,274
Why?
326
00:21:40,377 --> 00:21:42,619
They're scared.
327
00:21:42,722 --> 00:21:45,068
Scared of me?
328
00:21:45,171 --> 00:21:46,929
No, what people will do.
329
00:21:47,033 --> 00:21:49,619
When they find out.
330
00:21:49,722 --> 00:21:51,826
This kind of thing,
it brings down a parish.
331
00:21:51,929 --> 00:21:54,791
People they don't give
their money to child abusers.
332
00:21:57,205 --> 00:22:00,137
You really think people are
gonna care that much about me?
333
00:22:00,239 --> 00:22:04,999
Yeah... I do.
334
00:22:05,102 --> 00:22:14,999
[cries]
335
00:22:15,102 --> 00:22:25,033
[cries]
336
00:22:25,137 --> 00:22:35,170
[cries]
337
00:22:35,274 --> 00:22:38,205
I don't want to
hurt the church.
338
00:22:38,308 --> 00:22:39,964
I know.
339
00:22:44,170 --> 00:22:46,757
I don't wantcha to leave.
340
00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:58,033
[sobs]
341
00:22:58,239 --> 00:23:08,308
?
342
00:23:08,412 --> 00:23:18,584
?
343
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:28,308
?
344
00:23:28,412 --> 00:23:38,584
?
345
00:23:38,688 --> 00:23:48,308
?
346
00:23:48,412 --> 00:23:59,205
?
347
00:23:59,308 --> 00:24:01,308
Narrator:
Next time on 'Forgive Me':
348
00:24:01,412 --> 00:24:02,481
Hi.
349
00:24:02,584 --> 00:24:04,308
You never
come home anymore.
350
00:24:04,412 --> 00:24:07,481
I hear the
same about you.
351
00:24:07,584 --> 00:24:11,033
You know Grammy,
she hasn't changed.
352
00:24:11,136 --> 00:24:12,481
Grammy didn't
need to change.
353
00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:15,481
[laughs] I do?
354
00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:18,136
You drunk?
355
00:24:18,239 --> 00:24:21,136
Blood of Christ.
356
00:24:21,239 --> 00:24:23,170
Where did
you get that?
357
00:24:23,274 --> 00:24:26,999
I used to be an alter boy
too, I know where you keep it.
358
00:24:27,101 --> 00:24:30,481
I bought some black market
information about a councilman
359
00:24:30,584 --> 00:24:33,481
to destroy his career.
360
00:24:33,584 --> 00:24:35,308
That's harsh.
361
00:24:35,412 --> 00:24:38,895
Well, I need the
conservative Catholic vote
362
00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:40,999
and the adaptive
Catholic vote.
363
00:24:41,101 --> 00:24:45,205
The traditionalists are going to
vote for the sitting councilman
364
00:24:45,308 --> 00:24:49,032
unless I let his
secret indiscretions leak out.
365
00:24:49,136 --> 00:24:51,308
Is that safe for you?
366
00:24:51,412 --> 00:24:53,895
You're not exactly a
blank slate yourself.
367
00:24:53,999 --> 00:24:57,136
My sins are
safe with you.
368
00:24:57,186 --> 00:25:01,736
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